In Defense Of Christian Bale

So, by now everyone has heard Christian Bale‘s rant, listened to the remix, heard the apology, read his director’s support quotes, bought the T-shirt, and everything else imaginable.  The whole episode is everywhere now, from a thousand different angles, and it’s even getting far too much exposure from Entertainment Weekly this week, wherein there is a Star Rant Guessing Game.

Christian Bale rages like a lunatic at Cinematographer Shane Hurlbut for four minutes or so, and ultimately apologizes for his terrible behavior.

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So, what do I mean by defending him?

Well, first of all, let’s just set the groundwork by saying that Christian Bale is a great actor.  I don’t mean some donkey star popping up some crap films like The Skulls, or Drumline, or Mr. 3000… I mean he’s really a good actor.  He’s also a very serious actor.  He works at his craft very seriously, and he has gone through a lot of quality roles, working with some serious artists in the game.  I don’t mean like some dumbass who spins together some garbage like Charlie’s Angels: Full Throttle, or produces some made-for-idiots television, or whips together some moronic half-naked girl band that sings one-line songs, and then wants everyone to call him McFluffy Pants either.  I mean people who make great films.

At a very young age he was indoctrinated into the whole world of moviemaking by getting a little role in Empire of the Sun, where he got to be shown how things go by Steven Spielberg.  He moved from that to Kenneth Brannagh directing himself in Henry V.  And, bang, things were pretty serious right out of the gates.  Now, okay, he made Newsies, but what the hell are you gonna do?

After decent turns in Swing Kids and Little Women, he moved on to The Secret Agent and then a truly fine performance in Metroland.  He then moved to The Velvet Goldmine, working with the very serious Todd Haynes.  He jumped to A Midsummer Night’s Dream to work on a bit of Shakespeare, and then played Jesus in Mary, Mother of Jesus.  That’s pretty serious stuff that is.

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Next came his go in American Psycho, a cult classic, and if nothing else a brilliant job of acting.  And, insofar as you can be serious while hacking people up with an axe to Huey Lewis, pretty serious.

He then went on a short streak of not quite the winningest stuff, coming out with: Shaft, Laurel Canyon, Reign of Fire, and Captain Corelli’s Mandolin.  Maybe not the best work, but not bad by any stretch, and not quite We Are Frickin’ Marshall.

Then he moves to the horribly underappreciated Equilibrium.  Then, The Machinist, directed by the mostly brilliant Brad Anderson of last year’s wonderful Transsiberian.  Then we have Batman Begins with serious and very cool Christopher Nolan, Harsh Times, and Rescue Dawn with Werner For Crying Out Loud Herzog.  The Prestige in which he was amazing, with Nolan again, and then 3:10 to Yuma, and I’m Not There.

So, here we are, and Christian Bale finds himself something of a hot property, and someone says, “How about making a Terminator movie, and look at all those zeroes.”

But, now Christian finds himself surrounded on one side by a guy whose claim to fame is creating TV shows with episodes called “Asslane,” and selling naked women who sing about having sex with them, and on the other by a guy who is at least moderately familiar with what it means to be a director of photography by way of working on a few of the more mediocre and meaningless films to come out in the last few years.

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Now, I’m stretching things a bit, and I’m not really trying to bash Joseph McGinty Nichol (because if he thinks I’m calling him McG, then he’s even dumber than someone who wants me to call him McG).  I mean, if I could go from music videos to huge-budget Terminator movies by way of… I have no idea what, I’d do it too.

Seriously though… let’s say that Christian was right during his rant, and assume for the sake of argument that Shane Hurlbut is a stupid, unprofessional donkey who doesn’t know how to do his job, and walked into the middle of the scene several times… am I saying that excuses Mr. Bale’s behavior?

Not at all.  I’m saying what the hell does he need an excuse for?  Since when do we need excuses for calling stupid people stupid?

Did Julia Roberts need an excuse when the video came out recently of her cussing like a drunken sailor at some poor Papparazzi guy?  Her lunatic rant might not have been quite as long as Mr. Bale’s, but minute for minute it had just as many Fs.  Did she need an excuse?  Did anyone start calling raving rants in general “going all Julia on his ass?”

Hell, no.  She just paid that shit off, and now the videos won’t play anymore, and no one mentions a thing about it, because you damn sure better not mess with her.  She’s an icon of (Pffff) really great acting and whatnot, and everyone loves Julia Roberts, because… well, that’s the law.

You might not even know what I’m talking about there, but I saw the video before it got shut down.

In any event… why does Christian Bale need an excuse or an apology?

Do you need an excuse or an apology when your secretary writes down the wrong phone number for the tenth time, or some donkey is just sitting there for thirty seconds after the light turns green, or your doctor amputates the wrong leg?  Screw that noise.  You go off on those F&%$*& Dumb&$$%$, and why wouldn’t you?

What’s really ridiculous about the whole thing is that everyone is making such a big deal out of it.  Like you don’t cuss people out ten times worse every single day.  Just because he did it outloud doesn’t make him a bad guy.  Give me the days when you could rip someone a new one if he was wasting thousands of dollars by causing reshoots over and over.

Dumbass.

 

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Marc Eastman is the owner and operator of Are You Screening? and has been writing film reviews for over a decade, and several branches of the internet's film review world have seen his name. He is also a member of The Broadcast Film Critics Association and The Broadcast Television Journalists Association.
  • popgoestheweazel

    There you go. Wonderful. In a nut shell.

  • popgoestheweazel

    There you go. Wonderful. In a nut shell.

  • laura

    Totally agree with your view 😉

  • laura

    Totally agree with your view 😉

  • 7:28

    this article is awful

    stop writing

  • areyouscreening

    Thanks for the comment.

    Cheers

  • areyouscreening

    Glad to hear it. I knew you were out there somewhere.

    Cheers.

  • areyouscreening

    Ummm… little late to stop now.

    Sorry.

    Appreciate you adding to the discussion though.

  • 7:28

    this article is awful

    stop writing

  • areyouscreening

    Thanks for the comment.

    Cheers

  • areyouscreening

    Glad to hear it. I knew you were out there somewhere.

    Cheers.

  • areyouscreening

    Ummm… little late to stop now.

    Sorry.

    Appreciate you adding to the discussion though.

  • I'd be ten times the hypocrite if I didn't agree with this. I love JD Robb books partially because her main character is damn good at what she does and she doesn't let anything stand in the way of doing that good job.

    I've heard some actors (and other creative types) are assholes because their heads are big – and some just take the job that seriously. I can identify with that.

    Plus, I don't understand this need for celebrities to apologize for being human. Guys, he acts. He owes “the public” his performance if anything (and technically, he really owes that to the people who hire him and himself). He doesn't, in my opinion, owe the public anything more.

  • I'd be ten times the hypocrite if I didn't agree with this. I love JD Robb books partially because her main character is damn good at what she does and she doesn't let anything stand in the way of doing that good job.

    I've heard some actors (and other creative types) are assholes because their heads are big – and some just take the job that seriously. I can identify with that.

    Plus, I don't understand this need for celebrities to apologize for being human. Guys, he acts. He owes “the public” his performance if anything (and technically, he really owes that to the people who hire him and himself). He doesn't, in my opinion, owe the public anything more.

  • huub

    Funny…

  • huub

    Funny…

  • realitycheck

    in my opinion you have only made half your point… i am sure you researched the history of movies that shane hurlbut was involved with and you named a couple that didnt do well in the box office and not the other ones that did very well. If the movies you listed were your only validation for your point then you failed. But on the other hand i dont think that Christian Bale owes the public a apology since he apologized to the ppl that it mattered to 6 months ago. He should recieve help tho imo i think he got away with a little more because of his fame. Lets say that anyone else i.e. reacted like that out in public and a cop was present then someone would be arrested lol. Listening to the recording it sounds as if he actually tried to go after Shane at one point and McG stepped in. How different would it be if he actually did and got his ass kicked by Shane Hurlbut, or vice versa but that is speculation, it didnt happen and the ppl involved resolved the issue and moved on so should everyone else it could have been worse but it wasnt. The thing that really should matter imo is who the hell leaked it to the internet in the first place….

  • areyouscreening

    Quite. Thanks for the comment. I'm just not sure on the “so what?” factor of the whole thing.

  • areyouscreening

    Thanks very much for adding to the discussion.

    I actually didn't care at all about box office, I picked a few movies that were stupid wastes of time. Here's the full list of his cinematography credits though.

    Swing Vote (2008)
    Semi-Pro (2008) (director of photography)
    The Reckoning (2007)
    We Are Marshall (2006) (director of photography)
    Waist Deep (2006) (director of photography)
    Something New (2006/I) (director of photography)
    The Greatest Game Ever Played (2005)
    Into the Blue (2005)
    Mr 3000 (2004) (director of photography)
    11:14 (2003) (director of photography)
    Drumline (2002)
    Crazy/Beautiful (2001)
    The Skulls (2000) (director of photography)
    … aka Clan des Skulls, Le (Canada: French title)

    The Rat Pack (1998) (TV)
    The Robber (1998)
    The Guardian (1997) (TV)

    Whatever you want to pick as representative of his knowing what he's doing, be my guest.

    My point wasn't anything to do with money, but that he isn't really a great cinematographer, nor does he have a lot of experience working on the caliber of films Bale is more used to.

    I'm not sure what the public vs private theory is meant to explain. There's a chance he might have been arrested for disorderly conduct, but I don't think it's relevant. He didn't do anything that's actually illegal. At best I think the cop might have asked him to calm down, and if they were in public I'm sure he would have, but then again the situation wouldn't have come up anyway.

    Might as well say he has sex, but if he were to do that in public with a cop around he would be arrested. Even more true actually, but so what?

    With you on the moving on though.

    Cheers.

  • realitycheck

    cool i wasnt totally bashing your opinion i took it as you were just saying he hasnt done a decent film before, but as for my opinion of that happening in public vs private if it were anyone else i think they could have charged him with assult i.e. acts in a threatening manner to put another in fear of immediate harm. But also imo i think that Bale is a good enough actor that even with directors and others that arent experienced enough in the business that he will make them look good with his performance.(well at least they will try to take credit for it lol)

  • realitycheck

    in my opinion you have only made half your point… i am sure you researched the history of movies that shane hurlbut was involved with and you named a couple that didnt do well in the box office and not the other ones that did very well. If the movies you listed were your only validation for your point then you failed. But on the other hand i dont think that Christian Bale owes the public a apology since he apologized to the ppl that it mattered to 6 months ago. He should recieve help tho imo i think he got away with a little more because of his fame. Lets say that anyone else i.e. reacted like that out in public and a cop was present then someone would be arrested lol. Listening to the recording it sounds as if he actually tried to go after Shane at one point and McG stepped in. How different would it be if he actually did and got his ass kicked by Shane Hurlbut, or vice versa but that is speculation, it didnt happen and the ppl involved resolved the issue and moved on so should everyone else it could have been worse but it wasnt. The thing that really should matter imo is who the hell leaked it to the internet in the first place….

  • areyouscreening

    Quite. Thanks for the comment. I'm just not sure on the “so what?” factor of the whole thing.

  • areyouscreening

    Thanks very much for adding to the discussion.

    I actually didn't care at all about box office, I picked a few movies that were stupid wastes of time. Here's the full list of his cinematography credits though.

    Swing Vote (2008)
    Semi-Pro (2008) (director of photography)
    The Reckoning (2007)
    We Are Marshall (2006) (director of photography)
    Waist Deep (2006) (director of photography)
    Something New (2006/I) (director of photography)
    The Greatest Game Ever Played (2005)
    Into the Blue (2005)
    Mr 3000 (2004) (director of photography)
    11:14 (2003) (director of photography)
    Drumline (2002)
    Crazy/Beautiful (2001)
    The Skulls (2000) (director of photography)
    … aka Clan des Skulls, Le (Canada: French title)

    The Rat Pack (1998) (TV)
    The Robber (1998)
    The Guardian (1997) (TV)

    Whatever you want to pick as representative of his knowing what he's doing, be my guest.

    My point wasn't anything to do with money, but that he isn't really a great cinematographer, nor does he have a lot of experience working on the caliber of films Bale is more used to.

    I'm not sure what the public vs private theory is meant to explain. There's a chance he might have been arrested for disorderly conduct, but I don't think it's relevant. He didn't do anything that's actually illegal. At best I think the cop might have asked him to calm down, and if they were in public I'm sure he would have, but then again the situation wouldn't have come up anyway.

    Might as well say he has sex, but if he were to do that in public with a cop around he would be arrested. Even more true actually, but so what?

    With you on the moving on though.

    Cheers.

  • realitycheck

    cool i wasnt totally bashing your opinion i took it as you were just saying he hasnt done a decent film before, but as for my opinion of that happening in public vs private if it were anyone else i think they could have charged him with assult i.e. acts in a threatening manner to put another in fear of immediate harm. But also imo i think that Bale is a good enough actor that even with directors and others that arent experienced enough in the business that he will make them look good with his performance.(well at least they will try to take credit for it lol)

  • popgoestheweazel

    I like the point. I also agree about the assault charge verses private and public. Wouldn't happen in the US. Maybe in the UK, they have verbal assault, there. The US would have asked Bale to calm down or take him for disorderly. Either way, I don't believe what he did was anything criminal. Also, people need to understand that this was on a closed set, apples and oranges. There is really no comparison although, they would like it to be.

  • popgoestheweazel

    I like the point. I also agree about the assault charge verses private and public. Wouldn't happen in the US. Maybe in the UK, they have verbal assault, there. The US would have asked Bale to calm down or take him for disorderly. Either way, I don't believe what he did was anything criminal. Also, people need to understand that this was on a closed set, apples and oranges. There is really no comparison although, they would like it to be.

  • jenny

    now first off; i love christian bale. he genuinely is a talented actor, i'll agree with you on that point. but i really wish people would stop making his excuses for him. he made a mistake and yes it was probably blown out of proportion by the media and i'm sure we missed the bigger picture blah blah etcetera, but from what the world saw he damn well needed to apologise to someone.

    he seemed like a grounded, down to earth actor before this. i'm hoping he hasn't turned pro-brat. i'll lose all interest.

  • jenny

    now first off; i love christian bale. he genuinely is a talented actor, i'll agree with you on that point. but i really wish people would stop making his excuses for him. he made a mistake and yes it was probably blown out of proportion by the media and i'm sure we missed the bigger picture blah blah etcetera, but from what the world saw he damn well needed to apologise to someone.

    he seemed like a grounded, down to earth actor before this. i'm hoping he hasn't turned pro-brat. i'll lose all interest.

  • jenny

    now first off; i love christian bale. he genuinely is a talented actor, i'll agree with you on that point. but i really wish people would stop making his excuses for him. he made a mistake and yes it was probably blown out of proportion by the media and i'm sure we missed the bigger picture blah blah etcetera, but from what the world saw he damn well needed to apologise to someone.

    he seemed like a grounded, down to earth actor before this. i'm hoping he hasn't turned pro-brat. i'll lose all interest.

  • Rogue PA

    Dude! I don't know who you are, but you are absolutely, 100% correct.
    McG – shlock director.
    Shane Hurlbut, as if anyone has actually heard of this guy before two weeks ago, not exactly the most impressive resume for a DP.
    If he doesn't know any better than to sit still during a take, then he should be canned. I'm sure he's not bringing ANYTHING to this picture that another DP couldn't do.
    Anyway. Spot on. You hit the nail on the head. When I first listened I was shocked at C.Bale, but now that I've listened to it twice and done a little research into who's talking, who's directing, and who the hell this (relatively) unknown DP is, suddenly I'm totally on Bale's side. I see his POV and understand it.
    F***kin' Amateurs!!!

  • Rogue PA

    Dude! I don’t know who you are, but you are absolutely, 100% correct.
    McG – shlock director.
    Shane Hurlbut, as if anyone has actually heard of this guy before two weeks ago, not exactly the most impressive resume for a DP.
    If he doesn’t know any better than to sit still during a take, then he should be canned. I’m sure he’s not bringing ANYTHING to this picture that another DP couldn’t do.
    Anyway. Spot on. You hit the nail on the head. When I first listened I was shocked at C.Bale, but now that I’ve listened to it twice and done a little research into who’s talking, who’s directing, and who the hell this (relatively) unknown DP is, suddenly I’m totally on Bale’s side. I see his POV and understand it.
    F***kin’ Amateurs!!!

  • popgoestheweazel

    jenny…he did apologize ..twice. Once to the cast/crew and the DP when it happened back in July, and this second time to the world, even though he didn't curse at us.

    I like him too, by the way.

  • popgoestheweazel

    jenny…he did apologize ..twice. Once to the cast/crew and the DP when it happened back in July, and this second time to the world, even though he didn't curse at us.

    I like him too, by the way.

  • popgoestheweazel

    jenny…he did apologize ..twice. Once to the cast/crew and the DP when it happened back in July, and this second time to the world, even though he didn't curse at us.

    I like him too, by the way.

  • scott

    You come off as a pretensious douche. When Bale missed a line repeatedly were people dropping “f-bombs” in his direction?
    He reads the lines that other people wrote, and tries to make them come off as believeable. That makes him more valuable and the license to treat someone like shit when they're doing something he doesn't like?
    By the way the DP, despite having worked in mediocre film jobs, has received praise for his work in those uninspired films. Much like Shaft being bad, had nothing to do with Bale or Jackson's performances, The Skulls was bad because the concept, script and other factors not related to the DP.
    You don't scream at the car infront of you for not going because everyone fails to pay attention to a street light for a few moments one out of every few thousand trips in their car. The fact that Bale blew up is understandable because we are not always calm and rational in every moment, but it's not commendable to lose your cool because things aren't going as they're “designed to”, and 4 minutes is more than just a momentary lapse in cool.
    I noticed how the DP hasn't come out and said everything is cool between the two because I can't immagine being berated like that isn't still under his skin.

  • scott

    You come off as a pretensious douche. When Bale missed a line repeatedly were people dropping “f-bombs” in his direction?
    He reads the lines that other people wrote, and tries to make them come off as believeable. That makes him more valuable and the license to treat someone like shit when they're doing something he doesn't like?
    By the way the DP, despite having worked in mediocre film jobs, has received praise for his work in those uninspired films. Much like Shaft being bad, had nothing to do with Bale or Jackson's performances, The Skulls was bad because the concept, script and other factors not related to the DP.
    You don't scream at the car infront of you for not going because everyone fails to pay attention to a street light for a few moments one out of every few thousand trips in their car. The fact that Bale blew up is understandable because we are not always calm and rational in every moment, but it's not commendable to lose your cool because things aren't going as they're “designed to”, and 4 minutes is more than just a momentary lapse in cool.
    I noticed how the DP hasn't come out and said everything is cool between the two because I can't immagine being berated like that isn't still under his skin.

  • popgoestheweazel

    Interesting. However, now I must make a comment. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Scott, I've noticed that you like to call people names, unecessarily, and you will probably do the same to me, not that I care, but if you listen closer to the audio…Bale continues so long because the DP is egging him on. You can't hear what he is saying because they don't have the mike, mysteriously on the DP, only on Bale. Also keep in mind, if possible, that the DP was warned several times to stop doing what he was doing. Now, I'm not in the movie business, and I don't know if you are, but if I told someone to stop doing something a few times and they kept doing it, I'd get pretty ticked off too. And anyone out there saying that they wouldn't….is lying to themselves and everyone else. Did Bale go overboard? Possibly. But who is the judge on an individual's anger limit? It may take me 5 minutes, it may take you 2. You can hear Bale calming down in the audio and then he starts back up. Why? Listen closer. The DP is talking in the background. People want to hear what they want to hear, obviously.

    My theory on why the DP is so quiet? Because he is probably the one who leaked the tape. Sure. I would be quiet too if I did that. Hope he didn't though, because if his career isn't ruined now, it will be. No one will trust him. I suspect that's why Hollywood is so quiet…someone may know? Just a thought.

  • popgoestheweazel

    Interesting. However, now I must make a comment. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Scott, I've noticed that you like to call people names, unecessarily, and you will probably do the same to me, not that I care, but if you listen closer to the audio…Bale continues so long because the DP is egging him on. You can't hear what he is saying because they don't have the mike, mysteriously on the DP, only on Bale. Also keep in mind, if possible, that the DP was warned several times to stop doing what he was doing. Now, I'm not in the movie business, and I don't know if you are, but if I told someone to stop doing something a few times and they kept doing it, I'd get pretty ticked off too. And anyone out there saying that they wouldn't….is lying to themselves and everyone else. Did Bale go overboard? Possibly. But who is the judge on an individual's anger limit? It may take me 5 minutes, it may take you 2. You can hear Bale calming down in the audio and then he starts back up. Why? Listen closer. The DP is talking in the background. People want to hear what they want to hear, obviously.

    My theory on why the DP is so quiet? Because he is probably the one who leaked the tape. Sure. I would be quiet too if I did that. Hope he didn't though, because if his career isn't ruined now, it will be. No one will trust him. I suspect that's why Hollywood is so quiet…someone may know? Just a thought.

  • popgoestheweazel

    Interesting. However, now I must make a comment. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Scott, I've noticed that you like to call people names, unecessarily, and you will probably do the same to me, not that I care, but if you listen closer to the audio…Bale continues so long because the DP is egging him on. You can't hear what he is saying because they don't have the mike, mysteriously on the DP, only on Bale. Also keep in mind, if possible, that the DP was warned several times to stop doing what he was doing. Now, I'm not in the movie business, and I don't know if you are, but if I told someone to stop doing something a few times and they kept doing it, I'd get pretty ticked off too. And anyone out there saying that they wouldn't….is lying to themselves and everyone else. Did Bale go overboard? Possibly. But who is the judge on an individual's anger limit? It may take me 5 minutes, it may take you 2. You can hear Bale calming down in the audio and then he starts back up. Why? Listen closer. The DP is talking in the background. People want to hear what they want to hear, obviously.

    My theory on why the DP is so quiet? Because he is probably the one who leaked the tape. Sure. I would be quiet too if I did that. Hope he didn't though, because if his career isn't ruined now, it will be. No one will trust him. I suspect that's why Hollywood is so quiet…someone may know? Just a thought.

  • areyouscreening

    I'm not making an excuse for him. I'm saying he doesn't need one at all. We obviously disagree there.

    Why? Because he cussed a lot and yelled at someone? Why do you need to apologize for that? I don't know. I don't get it.

  • areyouscreening

    Thanks very much.

    I agree that I was rather shocked when I first heard it. Frankly, I'm still a bit shocked. I mean, he went off rather a bit more than was necessary for sure. I'm certainly not saying people should emulate this behavior. But, if he goes off on someone, why does anyone care?

    Appreciate the comment.

  • areyouscreening

    I don't like to call anyone on spelling, but I rather figure you just use the word to mean “I don't agree with you,” anyway, so I'll leave it alone. What about this review could possibly be taken as my setting myself up as above or better than anyone is beyond me.

    That said, he was nominated for one award during his work in television, and other than that I would love for you to share where and when he received any praise for his work.

    On the other hand, I never implied that the films were bad because of his work, just that is rather used to working on more or less stupid films.

    No, I don't scream at the car in front of me (though I'd give the guy with the amputated limb a lot of latitude), but I get frustrated at people acting stupid in general. I was really just trying to make a point.

    That point frankly remains actually. I don't think a lot of people really know what it means to take a longish scene and have to scrap it and start over again. Especially, if we say for the sake of argument there were a lot of special effects going off in the scene or such. Not that this is Bale's concern actually, as he's not paying the bills, but having a rather complicated affair that comes together by the fairly serious work of a lot of people screwed up repeatedly by someone doing something incredibly stupid is likely to be pretty irritating.

    Finally, who really cares if says everything is cool between them?

  • areyouscreening

    Well said.

    Thanks for the comment.

  • areyouscreening

    I'm not making an excuse for him. I'm saying he doesn't need one at all. We obviously disagree there.

    Why? Because he cussed a lot and yelled at someone? Why do you need to apologize for that? I don't know. I don't get it.

  • areyouscreening

    I'm not making an excuse for him. I'm saying he doesn't need one at all. We obviously disagree there.

    Why? Because he cussed a lot and yelled at someone? Why do you need to apologize for that? I don't know. I don't get it.

  • areyouscreening

    Thanks very much.

    I agree that I was rather shocked when I first heard it. Frankly, I'm still a bit shocked. I mean, he went off rather a bit more than was necessary for sure. I'm certainly not saying people should emulate this behavior. But, if he goes off on someone, why does anyone care?

    Appreciate the comment.

  • areyouscreening

    I don't like to call anyone on spelling, but I rather figure you just use the word to mean “I don't agree with you,” anyway, so I'll leave it alone. What about this review could possibly be taken as my setting myself up as above or better than anyone is beyond me.

    That said, he was nominated for one award during his work in television, and other than that I would love for you to share where and when he received any praise for his work.

    On the other hand, I never implied that the films were bad because of his work, just that is rather used to working on more or less stupid films.

    No, I don't scream at the car in front of me (though I'd give the guy with the amputated limb a lot of latitude), but I get frustrated at people acting stupid in general. I was really just trying to make a point.

    That point frankly remains actually. I don't think a lot of people really know what it means to take a longish scene and have to scrap it and start over again. Especially, if we say for the sake of argument there were a lot of special effects going off in the scene or such. Not that this is Bale's concern actually, as he's not paying the bills, but having a rather complicated affair that comes together by the fairly serious work of a lot of people screwed up repeatedly by someone doing something incredibly stupid is likely to be pretty irritating.

    Finally, who really cares if says everything is cool between them?

  • areyouscreening

    Well said.

    Thanks for the comment.

  • h

    U TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH….. ur absolutely right…. i agree 100% at everything u just said. im just really glad someone had the balls to say this…

  • h

    U TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH….. ur absolutely right…. i agree 100% at everything u just said. im just really glad someone had the balls to say this…

  • areyouscreening

    Thanks much, and thanks for the comment.

  • areyouscreening

    Thanks much, and thanks for the comment.

  • Thank you, and I love you tossing in all of the projects those two asshats worked on.

  • Thank you, and I love you tossing in all of the projects those two asshats worked on.

  • jenny

    if you yelled and swore and threatened at someone in your workplace (i don't know where you work, but go with me here), chances are you'd be expected to apologise to them. the way i saw it, and i'll openly admit i only saw the youtube vid so w/e, bale sounded like a pretentious hollywood star throwing a strop because he couldn't do what he was being paid to do with someone fixing the lights.

    but each to their own, i appreciate your opinion.

  • areyouscreening

    That's certainly true (I work here, by the way), but it isn't really a fair analogy.

    Also, it is an unfair suggestion to say that he could do what he was being paid to do with someone fixing the lights. That sort of implies that he was supposed to be able to do what he was doing within the circumstances. That's not true. The guy was walking into the shot, ruining it, and the take was stopped.

    With the analogy of cussing at work, sure, if someone cusses someone at their job, the vast majority of circumstances would not make that acceptable.

    You have to build an analogy that puts in the rest of the circumstances. First, what the person is doing is something they absolutely should not do, and without question should know not to do even without a warning. Second, they have now done it at least three times anyway. Third, it costs about $40,000 each time they do it.

    Now, you say, hey, if you were at your job you would have to apologize if you cussed someone out.

    I'm going to say, okay, let's imagine you are at your job, and you just did something that cost your boss at least 40 grand, and you just did it at least three times in a row.

    I appreciate your opinion as well, and I'm not saying that we should get rights to Bale's outburst so that we can use it in schools to teach children how to behave. I'm just saying that a person ought to be allowed to yell at people who are acting sufficiently stupid in a variety of circumstances.

    And, at some point you don't have to be sorry for yelling at someone. If the doctor amputates the wrong limb, I'm going to go off on him pretty good, and I'm not going to be sorry later. Is this that extreme, of course not, but where exactly is the line where you get to yell at stupidity? I don't know.

  • jenny

    if you yelled and swore and threatened at someone in your workplace (i don't know where you work, but go with me here), chances are you'd be expected to apologise to them. the way i saw it, and i'll openly admit i only saw the youtube vid so w/e, bale sounded like a pretentious hollywood star throwing a strop because he couldn't do what he was being paid to do with someone fixing the lights.

    but each to their own, i appreciate your opinion.

  • jenny

    if you yelled and swore and threatened at someone in your workplace (i don't know where you work, but go with me here), chances are you'd be expected to apologise to them. the way i saw it, and i'll openly admit i only saw the youtube vid so w/e, bale sounded like a pretentious hollywood star throwing a strop because he couldn't do what he was being paid to do with someone fixing the lights.

    but each to their own, i appreciate your opinion.

  • areyouscreening

    That's certainly true (I work here, by the way), but it isn't really a fair analogy.

    Also, it is an unfair suggestion to say that he could do what he was being paid to do with someone fixing the lights. That sort of implies that he was supposed to be able to do what he was doing within the circumstances. That's not true. The guy was walking into the shot, ruining it, and the take was stopped.

    With the analogy of cussing at work, sure, if someone cusses someone at their job, the vast majority of circumstances would not make that acceptable.

    You have to build an analogy that puts in the rest of the circumstances. First, what the person is doing is something they absolutely should not do, and without question should know not to do even without a warning. Second, they have now done it at least three times anyway. Third, it costs about $40,000 each time they do it.

    Now, you say, hey, if you were at your job you would have to apologize if you cussed someone out.

    I'm going to say, okay, let's imagine you are at your job, and you just did something that cost your boss at least 40 grand, and you just did it at least three times in a row.

    I appreciate your opinion as well, and I'm not saying that we should get rights to Bale's outburst so that we can use it in schools to teach children how to behave. I'm just saying that a person ought to be allowed to yell at people who are acting sufficiently stupid in a variety of circumstances.

    And, at some point you don't have to be sorry for yelling at someone. If the doctor amputates the wrong limb, I'm going to go off on him pretty good, and I'm not going to be sorry later. Is this that extreme, of course not, but where exactly is the line where you get to yell at stupidity? I don't know.

  • Jack Mayhoffer

    Not a bad article – you honestly need to take Bale’s balls out of your mouth though. Holy handjob.

  • jenny

    totally see your point.

    i'd heard someone say the light guy was being a pain, so idk, i guess we only really get one side of stuff from seeing it on youtube. if the whole 40 grand thing is true, i retract my previous statements.

    and yeah, this shouldn't hang over bale's head for too long. i don't hate him for it. glad you had the patience to clear it up.

  • jenny

    totally see your point.

    i'd heard someone say the light guy was being a pain, so idk, i guess we only really get one side of stuff from seeing it on youtube. if the whole 40 grand thing is true, i retract my previous statements.

    and yeah, this shouldn't hang over bale's head for too long. i don't hate him for it. glad you had the patience to clear it up.

  • jenny

    totally see your point.

    i'd heard someone say the light guy was being a pain, so idk, i guess we only really get one side of stuff from seeing it on youtube. if the whole 40 grand thing is true, i retract my previous statements.

    and yeah, this shouldn't hang over bale's head for too long. i don't hate him for it. glad you had the patience to clear it up.

  • JMGuitar

    McG may be a amateur, nobody, etc… but if this Terminator flick is any good, I'll be the first to give him due credit.

  • JMGuitar

    McG may be a amateur, nobody, etc… but if this Terminator flick is any good, I'll be the first to give him due credit.

  • JMGuitar

    McG may be a amateur, nobody, etc… but if this Terminator flick is any good, I'll be the first to give him due credit.

  • Nice view point. Good thing now that's he has been called to the carpet on it he may realize he went overboard. A type people in business go through this stuff a lot and it does show how concerned he is with the project. Also – he can get any chic he wants so that leads to big heads.

    Here is where I rank him in alltime posts…

    http://www.waltsense.com/home/2009/2/6/christia

  • Nice view point. Good thing now that's he has been called to the carpet on it he may realize he went overboard. A type people in business go through this stuff a lot and it does show how concerned he is with the project. Also – he can get any chic he wants so that leads to big heads.

    Here is where I rank him in alltime posts…

    http://www.waltsense.com/home/2009/2/6/christia

  • Nice view point. Good thing now that's he has been called to the carpet on it he may realize he went overboard. A type people in business go through this stuff a lot and it does show how concerned he is with the project. Also – he can get any chic he wants so that leads to big heads.

    Here is where I rank him in alltime posts…

    http://www.waltsense.com/home/2009/2/6/christia

  • Terry

    I agree with you about how concerned he is with the project, he is a very intense actor…seems to always have been. I don't think that's really a bad thing though. He may need a much needed vacation from twerps getting on his nerves, however. I also agree that this sort of thing goes on all the time in the industry. But, I disagree that he has a swollen head…as far as the “chic” thing goes. He adores his family and tries to stay out of the public view as much as possible.

    I read your article by the way….

  • Terry

    I agree with you about how concerned he is with the project, he is a very intense actor…seems to always have been. I don't think that's really a bad thing though. He may need a much needed vacation from twerps getting on his nerves, however. I also agree that this sort of thing goes on all the time in the industry. But, I disagree that he has a swollen head…as far as the “chic” thing goes. He adores his family and tries to stay out of the public view as much as possible.

    I read your article by the way….

  • Terry

    I agree with you about how concerned he is with the project, he is a very intense actor…seems to always have been. I don't think that's really a bad thing though. He may need a much needed vacation from twerps getting on his nerves, however. I also agree that this sort of thing goes on all the time in the industry. But, I disagree that he has a swollen head…as far as the “chic” thing goes. He adores his family and tries to stay out of the public view as much as possible.

    I read your article by the way….

  • refine

    Why does Christian Bale need an excuse or an apology?

    Bale is a great actor but that does not exclude him from his own behavior.
    In comes a God-complex remark where he wants to take someone’s job away for a simple mistake. His actions cover dwelling on the past and uncontrollable emotion instead of moving forward.

    Reasoning based on a person’s immediate status can justify any action.

    Using your article's reasoning and method, consider a scenario using a fictional media giant dubbed Moviestar Interrogator.

    A well respected media critic from -Moviestar Interrogator- stumbles across your article. At first they degrade you based on areyouscreening's popularity compared to their own company. After the pseudo-humiliation they express how your opinion is irrelevant based on the current state of your career, with how little they know about it. Then the quote “Do you think victim's of medical malpractice agree with your bold analogy of false limb amputation compared to someone accidently walking where they shouldn't have? You are an imbecile, and incapable of doing anything. I want you fired.”

    This in turn begins a little war between readers who know, or think they know you and the aforementioned company.

    Should Moviestar Interrogator apologize to you? Your article implies there is no need to, they are more successful.

    You may think people are stupid based on small details that you didn't think through very well, or have an emotional bias towards. Not everyone does.

  • areyouscreening

    It's a very curious stream of logic, and by curious I mean of course laughably flawed in so many ways.

    Saying its a simple mistake is really downplaying the thing to a point that belies your lack of knowledge of the events and/or their relation to the situation. It wasn't a simple mistake, it was a huge mistake that you wouldn't find anyone doing in 1 out of 100 movies, and he did it several times. Firing people for such mistakes is in fact largely encouraged.

    My articles reasoning gives no weight whatsoever to Bale's “status” in a way that is remotely relevant to your scenario.

    The inclusion of the amputation example was a hyperbolic amusement aimed at the many people who said there is no circumstance at all that would warrant yelling at someone for a mistake on the job the way Bale did. I submit that I would yell at such a doctor sufficient to turn Bale blue only to dissuade all the talk in absolutes. That you took it as more of a serious statement is… cute.

    The relevant analogy would be something like Roger Ebert criticizing my work. Such an analogy would find me working with Mr. Ebert on a book or some similar joint project. Now, capturing the actual details of what happened would get a bit tricky. Something like – for the third time in a row, Mr. Ebert discovers that I have gone through and somehow written 5,000 words over his 5,000 words, destroying his work, which he has to then do over completely. After the third such encounter, he loses his cool, cusses at me for five minutes, and says I should fired.

    Should he apologize to me?

    I don't think so.

    I actually think people are stupid based entirely on whether or not they act stupidly, or say (or write) stupid things.

  • areyouscreening

    Certainly, but he's still kind of a goof. I'll give him all credit due him if the directing is good… not if the film is good.

  • refine

    Why does Christian Bale need an excuse or an apology?

    Bale is a great actor but that does not exclude him from his own behavior.
    In comes a God-complex remark where he wants to take someone’s job away for a simple mistake. His actions cover dwelling on the past and uncontrollable emotion instead of moving forward.

    Reasoning based on a person’s immediate status can justify any action.

    Using your article's reasoning and method, consider a scenario using a fictional media giant dubbed Moviestar Interrogator.

    A well respected media critic from -Moviestar Interrogator- stumbles across your article. At first they degrade you based on areyouscreening's popularity compared to their own company. After the pseudo-humiliation they express how your opinion is irrelevant based on the current state of your career, with how little they know about it. Then the quote “Do you think victim's of medical malpractice agree with your bold analogy of false limb amputation compared to someone accidently walking where they shouldn't have? You are an imbecile, and incapable of doing anything. I want you fired.”

    This in turn begins a little war between readers who know, or think they know you and the aforementioned company.

    Should Moviestar Interrogator apologize to you? Your article implies there is no need to, they are more successful.

    You may think people are stupid based on small details that you didn't think through very well, or have an emotional bias towards. Not everyone does.

  • refine

    Why does Christian Bale need an excuse or an apology?

    Bale is a great actor but that does not exclude him from his own behavior.
    In comes a God-complex remark where he wants to take someone’s job away for a simple mistake. His actions cover dwelling on the past and uncontrollable emotion instead of moving forward.

    Reasoning based on a person’s immediate status can justify any action.

    Using your article's reasoning and method, consider a scenario using a fictional media giant dubbed Moviestar Interrogator.

    A well respected media critic from -Moviestar Interrogator- stumbles across your article. At first they degrade you based on areyouscreening's popularity compared to their own company. After the pseudo-humiliation they express how your opinion is irrelevant based on the current state of your career, with how little they know about it. Then the quote “Do you think victim's of medical malpractice agree with your bold analogy of false limb amputation compared to someone accidently walking where they shouldn't have? You are an imbecile, and incapable of doing anything. I want you fired.”

    This in turn begins a little war between readers who know, or think they know you and the aforementioned company.

    Should Moviestar Interrogator apologize to you? Your article implies there is no need to, they are more successful.

    You may think people are stupid based on small details that you didn't think through very well, or have an emotional bias towards. Not everyone does.

  • areyouscreening

    It's a very curious stream of logic, and by curious I mean of course laughably flawed in so many ways.

    Saying its a simple mistake is really downplaying the thing to a point that belies your lack of knowledge of the events and/or their relation to the situation. It wasn't a simple mistake, it was a huge mistake that you wouldn't find anyone doing in 1 out of 100 movies, and he did it several times. Firing people for such mistakes is in fact largely encouraged.

    My articles reasoning gives no weight whatsoever to Bale's “status” in a way that is remotely relevant to your scenario.

    The inclusion of the amputation example was a hyperbolic amusement aimed at the many people who said there is no circumstance at all that would warrant yelling at someone for a mistake on the job the way Bale did. I submit that I would yell at such a doctor sufficient to turn Bale blue only to dissuade all the talk in absolutes. That you took it as more of a serious statement is… cute.

    The relevant analogy would be something like Roger Ebert criticizing my work. Such an analogy would find me working with Mr. Ebert on a book or some similar joint project. Now, capturing the actual details of what happened would get a bit tricky. Something like – for the third time in a row, Mr. Ebert discovers that I have gone through and somehow written 5,000 words over his 5,000 words, destroying his work, which he has to then do over completely. After the third such encounter, he loses his cool, cusses at me for five minutes, and says I should fired.

    Should he apologize to me?

    I don't think so.

    I actually think people are stupid based entirely on whether or not they act stupidly, or say (or write) stupid things.

  • areyouscreening

    It's a very curious stream of logic, and by curious I mean of course laughably flawed in so many ways.

    Saying its a simple mistake is really downplaying the thing to a point that belies your lack of knowledge of the events and/or their relation to the situation. It wasn't a simple mistake, it was a huge mistake that you wouldn't find anyone doing in 1 out of 100 movies, and he did it several times. Firing people for such mistakes is in fact largely encouraged.

    My articles reasoning gives no weight whatsoever to Bale's “status” in a way that is remotely relevant to your scenario.

    The inclusion of the amputation example was a hyperbolic amusement aimed at the many people who said there is no circumstance at all that would warrant yelling at someone for a mistake on the job the way Bale did. I submit that I would yell at such a doctor sufficient to turn Bale blue only to dissuade all the talk in absolutes. That you took it as more of a serious statement is… cute.

    The relevant analogy would be something like Roger Ebert criticizing my work. Such an analogy would find me working with Mr. Ebert on a book or some similar joint project. Now, capturing the actual details of what happened would get a bit tricky. Something like – for the third time in a row, Mr. Ebert discovers that I have gone through and somehow written 5,000 words over his 5,000 words, destroying his work, which he has to then do over completely. After the third such encounter, he loses his cool, cusses at me for five minutes, and says I should fired.

    Should he apologize to me?

    I don't think so.

    I actually think people are stupid based entirely on whether or not they act stupidly, or say (or write) stupid things.

  • areyouscreening

    Certainly, but he's still kind of a goof. I'll give him all credit due him if the directing is good… not if the film is good.

  • areyouscreening

    Certainly, but he's still kind of a goof. I'll give him all credit due him if the directing is good… not if the film is good.

  • refine

    I didn't take it as a serious statement but thanks for the assumption. 🙂

    One of the main points of that was to show that things are taken out of context by everyone because it's impossible to avoid.

    How could you expect someone not to interpret your article as a 'status' representation? The first few paragraphs just insult movies that Shane Hurlburt was a part of. Mr 3000, Skulls, Drumline. Sure they weren’t my cup of tea either. Then goes on about how great Bale (career, not the person) is.

    I consider both of our analogy’s equally meaningless when it comes to the actual situation.

    Yours may have been closer if Ebert went off on you, and gave the impression that he’s going to bail on his work and leave the publishing (or whichever) company out to dry because of his moment of weakness. It then seems appropriate to apologize to you for the actions, not the situation. The situation obviously was not working. (Stating that there were far more circumstances than just you and Ebert on the production phase of the project would also be needed, including the source of confusion. Simply having facts in front of you then writing something else is an entirely different story.)

    Bale’s words in essence were assuming mistakes were done intentionally, on purpose to sabotage. His own analogy even used the concept of going around and tearing down lights. Does Shane really want to sabotage a huge budgeted movie like Terminator and flush his career? Something needed to be corrected but Shane’s mistakes are unlikely to have no causality behind them. Simplifying the situation is extremely unfair.

    Bale’s outburst was not looking for answers, it was focused anger and pure insults. “The F— is wrong with you” is not a question, it’s an observational degrading statement.

    There are absolutely situations that can justify outrage. Bale’s was not one of them, and warrants an apology. Everyone has their moments, not being able to admit you made a mistake is an extreme character flaw.

  • areyouscreening

    I didn't assume anything, it's inherent in the statement you made. Though, I may not have given you credit for the sub-level of merely passing that statement off in pseudo-subscription.

    I didn't take status to mean the respective merits of their careers. One is a low-level (at best) cinematographer, and one is a very skilled actor, are about their professionalism and abilities, not their status. Status is more like, hardly anyone is ever going to hear of the cinematographer no matter how good he is at his job, whereas Bale is a big star and everyone knows him, etc. At least that's what I mean by status.

    I suppose it is a very debatable point though. Still, I could have said he's the best cinematographer ever, and his status is still miles below Bale's. Since you seemed to be talking about Bale having the status and that meaning something, I thought you were on a similar view of status.

    If you find your own analogy meaningless, I frankly don't understand discussing the point.

    I think you're completely wrong about Bale's words. I think he was assuming the mistakes were done because the guy is a moron, and I don't think the idea of doing them intentionally, or to purposely sabotage things was ever remotely in his mind.

    If, for example, Gordon Ramsay starts screaming at one of the chefs on Hell's Kitchen for undercooking chicken, and he says, “Are you trying to poison the customers!?” That doesn't imply that he actually believes they are really acting with the intention of poisoning the customers.

    His own analogy, thrown out in a fit of rage, talks about tearing down the lights, because what else could he say? What he could accidentally do that would mess with the cinematographers job? Nothing. There would be no analogy.

    His mistake of walking into the scene so that he was in the shot is unlikely to have no causality behind it? I don't know what that means. Someone shoved him?

    Why does he have to be looking for answers?

    How do you know that Bale's situation was not one that could justify outrage? You weren't there, and you have absolutely no idea what the situation was.

    The whole point of this article, by the way, is not that I think… Hooray for Bale going off on that guy… it is that it is totally ridiculous that anyone cares one way or the other, nevermind everyone just going berserk with the holier than thou attacks on him.

    As I mentioned in the article, a video came out at about the same time of Julia Roberts going off worse than Bale on a Papparazzi, and did anyone suddenly say she needed massive therapy, and needed to apologize to the guy? Not likely. The video was bought off in a matter of days, but plenty of people saw it, but is anyone going to talk about it? No. Not sweet, apple pie Julia Roberts.

    It's all nonsense.

  • refine

    I didn't take it as a serious statement but thanks for the assumption. 🙂

    One of the main points of that was to show that things are taken out of context by everyone because it's impossible to avoid.

    How could you expect someone not to interpret your article as a 'status' representation? The first few paragraphs just insult movies that Shane Hurlburt was a part of. Mr 3000, Skulls, Drumline. Sure they weren’t my cup of tea either. Then goes on about how great Bale (career, not the person) is.

    I consider both of our analogy’s equally meaningless when it comes to the actual situation.

    Yours may have been closer if Ebert went off on you, and gave the impression that he’s going to bail on his work and leave the publishing (or whichever) company out to dry because of his moment of weakness. It then seems appropriate to apologize to you for the actions, not the situation. The situation obviously was not working. (Stating that there were far more circumstances than just you and Ebert on the production phase of the project would also be needed, including the source of confusion. Simply having facts in front of you then writing something else is an entirely different story.)

    Bale’s words in essence were assuming mistakes were done intentionally, on purpose to sabotage. His own analogy even used the concept of going around and tearing down lights. Does Shane really want to sabotage a huge budgeted movie like Terminator and flush his career? Something needed to be corrected but Shane’s mistakes are unlikely to have no causality behind them. Simplifying the situation is extremely unfair.

    Bale’s outburst was not looking for answers, it was focused anger and pure insults. “The F— is wrong with you” is not a question, it’s an observational degrading statement.

    There are absolutely situations that can justify outrage. Bale’s was not one of
    them.

  • refine

    I didn't take it as a serious statement but thanks for the assumption. 🙂

    One of the main points of that was to show that things are taken out of context by everyone because it's impossible to avoid.

    How could you expect someone not to interpret your article as a 'status' representation? The first few paragraphs just insult movies that Shane Hurlburt was a part of. Mr 3000, Skulls, Drumline. Sure they weren’t my cup of tea either. Then goes on about how great Bale (career, not the person) is.

    I consider both of our analogy’s equally meaningless when it comes to the actual situation.

    Yours may have been closer if Ebert went off on you, and gave the impression that he’s going to bail on his work and leave the publishing (or whichever) company out to dry because of his moment of weakness. It then seems appropriate to apologize to you for the actions, not the situation. The situation obviously was not working. (Stating that there were far more circumstances than just you and Ebert on the production phase of the project would also be needed, including the source of confusion. Simply having facts in front of you then writing something else is an entirely different story.)

    Bale’s words in essence were assuming mistakes were done intentionally, on purpose to sabotage. His own analogy even used the concept of going around and tearing down lights. Does Shane really want to sabotage a huge budgeted movie like Terminator and flush his career? Something needed to be corrected but Shane’s mistakes are unlikely to have no causality behind them. Simplifying the situation is extremely unfair.

    Bale’s outburst was not looking for answers, it was focused anger and pure insults. “The F— is wrong with you” is not a question, it’s an observational degrading statement.

    There are absolutely situations that can justify outrage. Bale’s was not one of
    them.

  • areyouscreening

    I didn't assume anything, it's inherent in the statement you made. Though, I may not have given you credit for the sub-level of merely passing that statement off in pseudo-subscription.

    I didn't take status to mean the respective merits of their careers. One is a low-level (at best) cinematographer, and one is a very skilled actor, are about their professionalism and abilities, not their status. Status is more like, hardly anyone is ever going to hear of the cinematographer no matter how good he is at his job, whereas Bale is a big star and everyone knows him, etc. At least that's what I mean by status.

    I suppose it is a very debatable point though. Still, I could have said he's the best cinematographer ever, and his status is still miles below Bale's. Since you seemed to be talking about Bale having the status and that meaning something, I thought you were on a similar view of status.

    If you find your own analogy meaningless, I frankly don't understand discussing the point.

    I think you're completely wrong about Bale's words. I think he was assuming the mistakes were done because the guy is a moron, and I don't think the idea of doing them intentionally, or to purposely sabotage things was ever remotely in his mind.

    If, for example, Gordon Ramsay starts screaming at one of the chefs on Hell's Kitchen for undercooking chicken, and he says, “Are you trying to poison the customers!?” That doesn't imply that he actually believes they are really acting with the intention of poisoning the customers.

    His own analogy, thrown out in a fit of rage, talks about tearing down the lights, because what else could he say? What he could accidentally do that would mess with the cinematographers job? Nothing. There would be no analogy.

    His mistake of walking into the scene so that he was in the shot is unlikely to have no causality behind it? I don't know what that means. Someone shoved him?

    Why does he have to be looking for answers?

    How do you know that Bale's situation was not one that could justify outrage? You weren't there, and you have absolutely no idea what the situation was.

    The whole point of this article, by the way, is not that I think… Hooray for Bale going off on that guy… it is that it is totally ridiculous that anyone cares one way or the other, nevermind everyone just going berserk with the holier than thou attacks on him.

    As I mentioned in the article, a video came out at about the same time of Julia Roberts going off worse than Bale on a Papparazzi, and did anyone suddenly say she needed massive therapy, and needed to apologize to the guy? Not likely. The video was bought off in a matter of days, but plenty of people saw it, but is anyone going to talk about it? No. Not sweet, apple pie Julia Roberts.

    It's all nonsense.

  • areyouscreening

    I didn't assume anything, it's inherent in the statement you made. Though, I may not have given you credit for the sub-level of merely passing that statement off in pseudo-subscription.

    I didn't take status to mean the respective merits of their careers. One is a low-level (at best) cinematographer, and one is a very skilled actor, are about their professionalism and abilities, not their status. Status is more like, hardly anyone is ever going to hear of the cinematographer no matter how good he is at his job, whereas Bale is a big star and everyone knows him, etc. At least that's what I mean by status.

    I suppose it is a very debatable point though. Still, I could have said he's the best cinematographer ever, and his status is still miles below Bale's. Since you seemed to be talking about Bale having the status and that meaning something, I thought you were on a similar view of status.

    If you find your own analogy meaningless, I frankly don't understand discussing the point.

    I think you're completely wrong about Bale's words. I think he was assuming the mistakes were done because the guy is a moron, and I don't think the idea of doing them intentionally, or to purposely sabotage things was ever remotely in his mind.

    If, for example, Gordon Ramsay starts screaming at one of the chefs on Hell's Kitchen for undercooking chicken, and he says, “Are you trying to poison the customers!?” That doesn't imply that he actually believes they are really acting with the intention of poisoning the customers.

    His own analogy, thrown out in a fit of rage, talks about tearing down the lights, because what else could he say? What he could accidentally do that would mess with the cinematographers job? Nothing. There would be no analogy.

    His mistake of walking into the scene so that he was in the shot is unlikely to have no causality behind it? I don't know what that means. Someone shoved him?

    Why does he have to be looking for answers?

    How do you know that Bale's situation was not one that could justify outrage? You weren't there, and you have absolutely no idea what the situation was.

    The whole point of this article, by the way, is not that I think… Hooray for Bale going off on that guy… it is that it is totally ridiculous that anyone cares one way or the other, nevermind everyone just going berserk with the holier than thou attacks on him.

    As I mentioned in the article, a video came out at about the same time of Julia Roberts going off worse than Bale on a Papparazzi, and did anyone suddenly say she needed massive therapy, and needed to apologize to the guy? Not likely. The video was bought off in a matter of days, but plenty of people saw it, but is anyone going to talk about it? No. Not sweet, apple pie Julia Roberts.

    It's all nonsense.

  • refine

    Yes, it's all nonsense 🙂

    I mean causality in a non spiritual, non forceful way. None of us were there so we have no idea. We can just speculate. Perhaps whoever was supposed to keep the set in order wasn't doing a very good job at managing the direction of everyone. Perhaps he misjudged the field of view of the camera by a couple feet, tried to make a correction and over-judged the boundaries. The judgment error could have been an assistants fault, set designers fault, anyone that has something to do with the scene. Maybe he was a moron, but the sheer complexity of the project suggests otherwise. Passing around blame is always below finding a solution.

    There can be over 100 people on a set like that, it needs management that one person can't handle on their own no matter how amazingly talented they are.

    It's not Bale's job to handle any of that, he is there to act.

    Bale's apology sounded thoughtful, he called himself a punk for his actions; we all lose it now and then. He stated that Shane did an amazing job on the film from the post-production he has seen. Completely assuming a thought process of a character like John Conner has to cause quite a bit of psychological stress, and it can overlap into judgment of reality. They claim to have resolved the issue the same day the argument took place.

    A more thought out way of responding would be to stop and figure out exactly what was going wrong so it could be avoided. Push crew members back a couple feet or whatever it takes. That's why there are so many people there to handle the situation. We need each other.

    I was trying to think of an analogy that involved too many circumstances to be easily explained, I failed with that.

    Doesn't mean the anger is avoidable, but there's no reason to let it control you. Some people do live for anger like a masochistic drug, but that's more of a psychological debate.

    Julia Roberts. ha. I doubt as many people would care if she just laughed at herself, explained her dislike of being hounded in an intelligent way and moved on. Legal stalking is a pretty serious issue, but she chooses to do what she does and that's a part of it. They'll also shout or say inappropriate things just to get the money shot, it's her choice if she gives it to them or not. Got to get paid. 🙂

  • refine

    Yes, it's all nonsense 🙂

    I mean causality in a non spiritual, non forceful way. None of us were there so we have no idea. We can just speculate. Perhaps whoever was supposed to keep the set in order wasn't doing a very good job at managing the direction of everyone. Perhaps he misjudged the field of view of the camera by a couple feet, tried to make a correction and over-judged the boundaries. The judgment error could have been an assistants fault, set designers fault, anyone that has something to do with the scene. Passing around blame is always below finding a solution.

    There can be over 100 people on a set like that, it needs management that one person can't handle on their own no matter how amazingly talented they are.

    It's not Bale's job to handle any of that, he is there to act.

    Bale's apology sounded thoughtful, he called himself a punk for his actions; we all lose it now and then. He stated that Shane did an amazing job on the film from the post-production he has seen. Completely assuming a thought process of a character like John Conner has to cause quite a bit of psychological stress, and it can overlap into judgment of reality. They claim to have resolved the issue the same day the argument took place.

    A more thought out way of responding would be to stop and figure out exactly what was going wrong so it could be avoided. Push crew members back a couple feet or whatever it takes. That's why there are so many people there to handle the situation. We need each other.

    I was trying to think of an analogy that involved too many circumstances to be easily explained, I failed with that.

    Doesn't mean the anger is avoidable, but there's no reason to let it control you. Some people do live for anger like a masochistic drug, but that's more of a psychological debate.

    Julia Roberts. ha. I doubt as many people would care if she just laughed at herself, explained her dislike of being hounded in an intelligent way and moved on. Legal stalking is a pretty serious issue, but she chooses to do what she does and that's a part of it. They'll also shout or say inappropriate things just to get the money shot, it's her choice if she gives it to them or not. Got to get paid. 🙂

  • refine

    Yes, it's all nonsense 🙂

    I mean causality in a non spiritual, non forceful way. None of us were there so we have no idea. We can just speculate. Perhaps whoever was supposed to keep the set in order wasn't doing a very good job at managing the direction of everyone. Perhaps he misjudged the field of view of the camera by a couple feet, tried to make a correction and over-judged the boundaries. The judgment error could have been an assistants fault, set designers fault, anyone that has something to do with the scene. Passing around blame is always below finding a solution.

    There can be over 100 people on a set like that, it needs management that one person can't handle on their own no matter how amazingly talented they are.

    It's not Bale's job to handle any of that, he is there to act.

    Bale's apology sounded thoughtful, he called himself a punk for his actions; we all lose it now and then. He stated that Shane did an amazing job on the film from the post-production he has seen. Completely assuming a thought process of a character like John Conner has to cause quite a bit of psychological stress, and it can overlap into judgment of reality. They claim to have resolved the issue the same day the argument took place.

    A more thought out way of responding would be to stop and figure out exactly what was going wrong so it could be avoided. Push crew members back a couple feet or whatever it takes. That's why there are so many people there to handle the situation. We need each other.

    I was trying to think of an analogy that involved too many circumstances to be easily explained, I failed with that.

    Doesn't mean the anger is avoidable, but there's no reason to let it control you. Some people do live for anger like a masochistic drug, but that's more of a psychological debate.

    Julia Roberts. ha. I doubt as many people would care if she just laughed at herself, explained her dislike of being hounded in an intelligent way and moved on. Legal stalking is a pretty serious issue, but she chooses to do what she does and that's a part of it. They'll also shout or say inappropriate things just to get the money shot, it's her choice if she gives it to them or not. Got to get paid. 🙂

  • Bale wasn't wrong or out of line in the least. I'm sorry he apologized.
    In fact, Bale SHOULD have kicked that guy's ass.
    For what a DP is paid in Hollywood, he should know how to conduct himself
    on a set.

    Let's get professional!

    miko

  • Bale wasn't wrong or out of line in the least. I'm sorry he apologized.
    In fact, Bale SHOULD have kicked that guy's ass.
    For what a DP is paid in Hollywood, he should know how to conduct himself
    on a set.

    Let's get professional!

    miko

  • Bale wasn't wrong or out of line in the least. I'm sorry he apologized.
    In fact, Bale SHOULD have kicked that guy's ass.
    For what a DP is paid in Hollywood, he should know how to conduct himself
    on a set.

    Let's get professional!

    miko

  • jarrod

    Yes the DP was wrong to walk in his eyeline. who knows the context of what really happened. In the end an actor should never react like that to a crew member, never.

  • jarrod

    Yes the DP was wrong to walk in his eyeline. who knows the context of what really happened. In the end an actor should never react like that to a crew member, never.

  • jarrod

    Yes the DP was wrong to walk in his eyeline. who knows the context of what really happened. In the end an actor should never react like that to a crew member, never.

  • dkjoker

    Bale is a GREAT actor but he's not saving anyone's life this isn't open heart surgery it's acting. He needs to get over himself STFU and do his job, ACT. And the Cinematographer has to do HIS Job which isn't kiss Bale's ass it's get the shot, move the lights and make Bale LOOK good. Actors can go to their PRIVATE trailers and run lines but, if they NEED to be on set they NEED to be respectful to the crew. Either way it doesn't give him the right to go off on ANYONE like that, he can get off his high horse come back down to earth and realize he's not royalty he's just an ACTOR. Which is why it's ironic and funny to hear how professional HE was bitching on set like some amateur primadonna. He should 86 the ego and focus on the acting, give us another reason to like him besides his narcissism.

  • areyouscreening

    Where does all this ego talk come in? If someone keeps doing something stupid, and someone yells at them, that's an ego trip?

  • dkjoker

    Bale is a GREAT actor but he's not saving anyone's life this isn't open heart surgery it's acting. He needs to get over himself STFU and do his job, ACT. And the Cinematographer has to do HIS Job which isn't kiss Bale's ass it's get the shot, move the lights and make Bale LOOK good. Actors can go to their PRIVATE trailers and run lines but, if they NEED to be on set they NEED to be respectful to the crew. Either way it doesn't give him the right to go off on ANYONE like that, he can get off his high horse come back down to earth and realize he's not royalty he's just an ACTOR. Which is why it's ironic and funny to hear how professional HE was bitching on set like some amateur primadonna. He should 86 the ego and focus on the acting, give us another reason to like him besides his narcissism.

  • dkjoker

    Bale is a GREAT actor but he's not saving anyone's life this isn't open heart surgery it's acting. He needs to get over himself STFU and do his job, ACT. And the Cinematographer has to do HIS Job which isn't kiss Bale's ass it's get the shot, move the lights and make Bale LOOK good. Actors can go to their PRIVATE trailers and run lines but, if they NEED to be on set they NEED to be respectful to the crew. Either way it doesn't give him the right to go off on ANYONE like that, he can get off his high horse come back down to earth and realize he's not royalty he's just an ACTOR. Which is why it's ironic and funny to hear how professional HE was bitching on set like some amateur primadonna. He should 86 the ego and focus on the acting, give us another reason to like him besides his narcissism.

  • areyouscreening

    Where does all this ego talk come in? If someone keeps doing something stupid, and someone yells at them, that's an ego trip?

  • areyouscreening

    Where does all this ego talk come in? If someone keeps doing something stupid, and someone yells at them, that's an ego trip?

  • dkjoker

    Bale is a GREAT actor but he's not saving anyone's life this isn't open heart surgery it's acting. He needs to get over himself STFU and do his job, ACT. And the Cinematographer has to do HIS Job which isn't kiss Bale's ass it's get the shot, move the lights and make Bale LOOK good. Actors can go to their PRIVATE trailers and run lines but, if they NEED to be on set they NEED to be respectful to the crew. Either way it doesn't give him the right to go off on ANYONE like that, he can get off his high horse come back down to earth and realize he's not royalty he's just an ACTOR. Which is why it's ironic and funny to hear how professional HE was bitching on set like some amateur primadonna. He should 86 the ego and focus on the acting, give us another reason to like him besides his narcissism.

  • areyouscreening

    Where does all this ego talk come in? If someone keeps doing something stupid, and someone yells at them, that's an ego trip?

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